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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 12:25, 25 March 2023 (UTC) [1].[reply]

Basshunter videography

Nominator(s): Eurohunter (talk) 18:17, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Basshunter videograhy was previously nominated after successful nomination of Basshunter discography. It previously passed GOCE. Structure is after similar featured lists. Since previous nomination a lot of primary sources to YouTube were replaced with a secondary sources. Eurohunter (talk) 18:17, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from PresN

Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding !scope=col to each header cell, e.g. ! width="230" rowspan="2"| Title becomes !scope=col width="230" rowspan="2"| Title. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use !scope=colgroup instead. Right now you have on for the "Peak chart positions" cell, but none of the others
Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --Pres N 15:42, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- @PresN: Thanks. Added scope="col". Done Eurohunter (talk) 16:52, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by FrB.TG

"Series of music videos with Aylar Lie received media attention" - when were these released and why did they receive media attention?
- Comment: Mainly 2008-2009. Music videos received media attention due to she was a model and music videos had commercial success like high number of views. Eurohunter (talk) 16:46, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Basshunter has appeared in television, including involvement in the ninth episode" - "involvement" is redundant.
- Done. Removed: "Basshunter has appeared in television, including the ninth episode (...)". Eurohunter (talk) 16:46, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"a Rock and Pop episode of Weakest Link." - what's a "Rock and Pop" episode?
- Done. It was episode attended by celebrities. "attended by celebrities" added at the end. Eurohunter (talk) 16:46, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Rendition shows a Basshunter singing about playing Dota 2" - which rendition are we talking about?
- Done. It was supposed to mean trailer Basshunter Dota Revival. I have changed it to "Trailer shows a Basshunter singing about playing Dota 2 (...)". Eurohunter (talk) 16:46, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What makes CelebMix a high-quality reliable source? Zickma?
- Comment:. Zickma was just added to replace reference to YouTube music video uploaded officially by artist so there is published news than just original source. Zickma is a French media website and has few thousands of followers on Facebook and Twitter and it exists atleast since 2012. They has own editors. British CelebMix was established in 2015 and as non-profit organisation is widely used as reference in ENWP and not only [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]. It has dozen thousands followers in social media and its Twitter profile was verified. Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin. According to Linkedin Jason Warner from CelebMix works also for BBC. They has its own editors like Jonathan Currinn, Randy Radic, Toby Bryant, Kelly McFarland, Philip Logan or Emily Severn. Eurohunter (talk) 16:46, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The number of followers of a website doesn't determine their reliability (Daily Mail has over 16m followers on Facebook and it is one of the worst sources you can use on Wikipedia). Nor does its usage in other Wikipedias or articles, see WP:OSE. What does make a source reliable is if they have a proper fact-checking process, are owned by a reputable publication or are mentioned in news articles that say the website is noteworthy/reliable. FrB.TG (talk) 08:05, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

1. @FrB.TG: How to determine if Retuers, BBC, CNN or The Guardian has a proper fact-checking process? Seems to not be easy in case of The Guardian as there is no obvious confirmation. How to find news articles that say the website is noteworthy/reliable? Do such articles even exist? Probably I can remember such articles but they are random. There is no articles about every reliable news media. Eurohunter (talk) 10:50, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2. These published articles were added to support original references. For example Apple Music, Spotify or Netflix releases etc. so I added Zickma and CelebMix to include published article with link to Apple Music release insteaad of just pure link to Apple Music release. Eurohunter (talk) 10:50, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

1. Reuters, BBC, CNN etc. are well-established, reputed publications and their reliability has been discussed in great details on Wikipedia, see their listings at WP:RSP. For such sources, it is very easy to find other third-party sources confirming their reputability (e.g. see Irish Independent saying "Reuters is a reputable agency and rarely gets these things wrong").

2. The point of third-party sources mentioning the music video is to establish its notability but if the sources in question are not reliable to begin with, you are better off sticking with the YouTube links for such videos. FrB.TG (talk) 20:22, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I replaced Zickma with YouTube for now. Eurohunter (talk) 17:15, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid I still stand by my statement that CelebMix is an unreliable source. For starters, they don't even have an "About us" page where one puts basic information like what the website does, when it was founded and how they gather their information. FrB.TG (talk) 09:21, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. References to CelebMix were removed. @FrB.TG: Eurohunter (talk) 20:43, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ping me once these concerns are addressed. FrB.TG (talk) 21:45, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@FrB.TG: Your comments have been taken into account. I need further comments from you, regarding the above points. Eurohunter (talk) 21:21, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@FrB.TG: What do you think about? Eurohunter (talk) 12:32, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I have made several copyedits here. FrB.TG (talk) 18:44, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by ChrisTheDude

What the heck is a "second version"?
- Comment: If you release music video for a track - it's music video. If you release the second music video for the same track - this is the second version or? Eurohunter (talk) 11:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - It's still a music video. Not sure there's any need to separate them out -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:33, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    - Done @ChrisTheDude: Integrated. Eurohunter (talk) 19:06, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"17 music videos [....] two remix videos" - videos for remixes are still music videos, I see no reason to mention them separately?
- Comment: It's kind of release so that's why they are included. Eurohunter (talk) 11:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - It's still a music video. Not sure there's any need to separate them out -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:33, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    - Comment: @ChrisTheDude: It's like listing songs or singles with its remixes in one table. Eurohunter (talk) 19:06, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Basshunter released the music video for "Every Morning" and "I Promised Myself"" => "Basshunter released the music videos for "Every Morning" and "I Promised Myself""
- Done Changed to "Basshunter released the music videos for "Every Morning" and "I Promised Myself"". Eurohunter (talk) 11:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Constructions such as "Michael Jackson released", "Alan Walker released" or "Basshunter released" actually sounds like he released them personally (self-release) but these videos were released by music label. I don't know if it's characteristics of English or a widespread error that no one pays attention to. Eurohunter (talk) 11:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"A series of music videos with Aylar Lie received media attention" - when? Any why?
- Comment: Mainly 2008-2009. Music videos received media attention due to she was a model and music videos had commercial success like high number of views. Eurohunter (talk) 11:33, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - Then say that in the article -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:33, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    - Comment: @ChrisTheDude:. There is next sentence ""Now You're Gone" became the most-viewed from the British YouTube videos in 2008[3] and third most-viewed YouTube video with 65 millions of views in 2009". Eurohunter (talk) 19:06, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
""Now You're Gone" became the most-viewed from the British YouTube videos in 2008" - what does this mean? It wasn't a British video if he is Swedish
- Comment: Yes but it was uploaded to channel of Hard2BeatRecords which was British label and due to was classified as British video. Eurohunter (talk) 11:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"He appeared on Maspalomas Pride 2012 box-set" => "He appeared on the Maspalomas Pride 2012 box-set"
- Done Added "the". Eurohunter (talk) 11:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Basshunter has appeared in television" - in English you appear on television, not in it
- Done Changed "in television" to "on television". Eurohunter (talk) 11:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"a Rock and Pop episode of Weakest Link attended by celebrities" - not good English at all. Just say "a Rock and Pop celebrity episode of Weakest Link"
- Done Great idea. Added "a Rock and Pop celebrity episode of Weakest Link". Eurohunter (talk) 11:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"In 2021 he appeared in Basshunter Dota Revival Netflix's trailer for Dota: Dragon's Blood." => "In 2021 he appeared in Basshunter Dota Revival, Netflix's trailer for Dota: Dragon's Blood."
- Done Added coma after Basshunter Dota Revival. Eurohunter (talk) 11:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why does the table say the director for the DotA video is unknown? The footnote says who it was
- Comment: Luna Square is a company credited as director but this is field for directors (persons). Eurohunter (talk) 11:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Music video for "Melody" was assembled by Farbod Khoshtinat" - what does this mean? How do you "assemble" a music video?
- Comment: It's actually credited as "assembled by". This music video consist of unspecified number of short videos which were edited. Eurohunter (talk) 11:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Special version of album released in New Zealand and Poland contains DVD with nine Basshunter music videos." - this doesn't need a full stop
- Comment: I don't think so. In this case it's standard sentence which should end with full stop. Eurohunter (talk) 11:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Box set contains live recordings of various artists." - this also doesn't need a full stop
- Comment: Same case as above. Eurohunter (talk) 11:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note f - "Also censored version of "Dream on the Dancefloor" music video was released (uncredited)." should be "Censored version of "Dream on the Dancefloor" music video was also released (uncredited)."
- Done Changed to "Censored version of "Dream on the Dancefloor" music video was also released (uncredited).". Eurohunter (talk) 11:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Same with the note g
- Done Changed in both cases. Eurohunter (talk) 11:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In those last two, what does "(uncredited)" mean?
- Comment: The censored version doesn't appear in the description or title, just like in cases of film credits where actor appears in film but is not mentioned in credits. Eurohunter (talk) 11:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's it :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 22:10, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude: Thanks for your review. Your comments have been taken into account. Further comments on the above points are required. Eurohunter (talk) 11:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - @ChrisTheDude: What do you think? Eurohunter (talk) 14:03, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:34, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This has been sitting here for a long time; it's gotten less attention then I'd usually like, but I've read through it and aside from a small tweak I made I'm good to promote. --Pres N 03:09, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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